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和 Usenet.nl 的糾紛(解決篇)

psistwu posted @ Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:36:44 +0800 in Consumption with tags consumption dispute usenet.nl , 17485 readers

在我認為準備已經足夠後,我立刻就啟動了 PayPal 的 dispute report,方法如下:

  1. 登入 PayPal
  2. 開啟 My Account 的子項目 Resolution Center
  3. 點選按鈕 Dispute a Transaction
  4. 到這裡你會看到兩個選項:Item disputeUnauthorized transaction

我之前遲遲不動作就是卡在這裡,照直覺來看應該選 Unauthorized transaction,但是我看了官方的說明後又覺得不太對。在 PayPal 的文件裡,這個項目比較像是處理帳號盜用的問題。在我的情況,Usenet.nl 事實上是有我的授權的,只是雙方對契約的認知上出現了差異,因而產生糾紛。我請別人幫我判斷,他告訴我兩個方法應該都可以,不過 Item dispute 可能要拖的比較久,因此我最後選擇 Unauthorized transaction。接下來:

  1. 進到 Unauthorized transaction 後 PayPal 要求你填寫 unauthorized transaction ID,你可以點選欄位旁的按鈕,它會開啟你的交易清單。你只要點選你想要申訴的交易的 ID,系統就會自動把 ID 幫你填上。
  2. 按下 Continue 之後,來到最後一個部份。這時候 PayPal 會要你提供一些相關資訊。其中最重要的是最後一欄:2000 字以內的陳述。當你都填妥後,你的申訴手續就完成了,再來就等 PayPal 的回應。

這裡附上我寫的陳述

The cause of this dispute is my disagreement about how Usenet.nl charged me.

On 8 August 2010, I registered myself on Usenet.nl, and chose to use a test period. At that time, I paid them 1 € through PayPal. I had no intention to continue to use their service after this test period then.
Later on 23 August 2010, I received your notification of this transaction in surprise, and I immediately went back to the website of Usenet.nl and review their TOS(Term Of Service) carefully. In their TOS, it says if the Customer didn't cancel within the test period, the contract will extend automatically. This is why this transaction happened.

I must admit, I didn't pay much attention to their TOS when I registered, this is my fault. However, I think Usenet.nl also has the responsibility in helping their Customer to understand their TOS, but I don't feel they fulfilled it. The following is my reasons:

  1. In addition to their TOS, Usenet.nl didn't give any sufficient warning about the "extend automatically", they didn't mail me any notification before they charged me, either. This, I felt, is unacceptable.
  2. Before my case, there have been several similar disputes with Usenet.nl, I found these complains on internet: I don't have any solid evidence, though. However, some of the users also paid the charge through PayPal, so I think you might have some dispute reports about Usenet.nl, and that would support my claim.
    Since I wasn't the first with this problem, I think they should have known their test period scheme would cause disputes potentially, but they didn't remedy it.

I hope these reasons would grant me a fully refund and I am willing to provide any further information if needed.
Thanks for your help.

這並不是最原始的版本,我稍微做了一些修正。

我是在深夜提交的,PayPal 隔天早上就結案了,它通知我會把費用完整的退回我的信用卡裡。我真的覺得 PayPal 的效率非常了不起,也十分感謝它能認同我的觀點,讓我能取得退費。

希望我的經驗能幫到那些發生相同問題的人。

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cola said:
Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:05:14 +0800

你好
我今天發現我跟你遇到同樣的問題
可是我不是透過paypal找到這網站
我是直接在網路上看到的
剛剛已經去取消我的帳戶
但是我之前用信用卡的那筆款項似乎無法取消
不知道要怎樣跟usenet聯繫跟他們申訴
是不是到最後就真的無解
只能付這筆款項呢...
很希望你能抽空回覆我
感謝你

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psistwu said:
Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:26:13 +0800

@cola:
抱歉這麼晚才回覆你。
可以的話,請你把你的情況描述的詳細些。

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lei said:
Sat, 06 Nov 2010 05:06:33 +0800

我有個問題,那之後usenet.nl 又找過你嗎??還是就這樣撤底解決了

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magic said:
Tue, 03 May 2011 02:24:56 +0800

因為剛發現自己也中招了, 特來謝謝版主提供的求償(退款)的樣版內文.. 不過還不確定能不能成, 所以還沒在USENET取消訂購的狀態.. 想說如果這4千多塊要不回來.就將就多下載些有聲書來聽吧...

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Sat, 14 May 2011 16:44:30 +0800

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呃.. 我不用在10天後再回來查看它有沒有再續約吧? @_@"

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Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:50:38 +0800

謝謝你的解說, 功勞一件, 我剛也照您的方式去cancel掉並請Paypal幫我協調了, 謝謝你

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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:41:30 +0800

很感谢您的帮忙,我是昨天晚上收到银行SMS短信才知道扣款了!当时很茫然,以为是信用卡被盗刷。查询了Paypal才知道是被usenet.nl 扣了,感觉很气愤和无耐,而且损失也比较大,关键是我并不需要这样的服务。我昨晚已经向Paypal提出申诉,但是由于比较急,申诉愿意没有写的这么详细,等待进一步处理。感谢您的指点,让我看到了些希望!

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JT said:
Sat, 21 Apr 2012 00:55:29 +0800

您好! 我也遇到了一樣的問題.正依你的方法處理中.

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JT said:
Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:24:17 +0800

這次Paypal 更厲害, 一週就協調完成了. 謝謝版大的分享!

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Celia said:
Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:46 +0800

太感谢了,我是今天早上收到短信说扣了我99.96欧元的。我照着楼主的样子给paypal发邮件了。希望可以很快解决这件事情。解决完了,赶紧去conceal usenet 的用户。再也不想跟这个网站有任何关系了!

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Celia said:
Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:34:44 +0800

太感谢楼主了。我就用了楼主的邮件,稍微修改了一下时间 。刚才收到paypal的邮件,说3-5天内,那99.96欧元会返回到我的信用卡里面。
5月31号凌晨我被usenet扣除了99.96欧元。然后马上google,找到楼主的帖子。马上给paypal写邮件。中间有收到usenet的邮件,让我和它们直接联系,我没有搭理。今天,差不多过了8天,事情算是解决了。
太感谢楼主了,也非常谢谢paypal。
要是以前,我估计就认栽了。

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Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:55:42 +0800

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Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:56:25 +0800

感謝樓主!我的情況幾乎跟您一樣,也是上網找硬碟修復相關軟體才找到這個網站,而且也沒找到我要的軟體XD(好像是iRecover),最後還是靠別的軟體才解決我的問題!真氣人!!!不過我是先寫信給usenet.nl他說不能退,而且我先cancel掉與usenet的合約(不然一年後是不是又會被扣一次)目前照您的樣板修改日期後回覆給paypal希望有好消息!!!

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Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:56:55 +0800

多謝樓主和大家的建議。
我也是最近才中招的。 15,OCT扣款,之後我就用PAYPAL協調了。協調的時候還是中文寫的。 沒想到今早17,OCT收到PAYPAL的回覆退款了,也是3-5天退回信用卡。
以後使用PAYPAL付款可得注意。。

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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:07:39 +0800

你好,我是陆生。我在Usenet.nl 页面(就是那个注册的第一个页面,要地址什么的信息的)第一步进行了邮箱认证,之后网页出来后我就没有操作,直接关闭了网页,请问这样会不会有风险(扣钱或者法律上的)?
ps:我在那个登陆的地方以忘记密码的形式输入自己的邮箱查自己是否注册,发现没有。
万分感谢啊!!!

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loe_v said:
Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:13:36 +0800

@許賀: 您好,请问您用中文进行申诉,又是如何写的呢?能提供个范本吗?谢谢您!

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Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:08:36 +0800

您好,我今天刚注册了免费账号,支付了1$,就看到了楼主的文章。。我想问一下,两周之内只要把Usenet.nl的账号取消掉是不是就不会出现继续收费的问题了?

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Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:49:20 +0800

您好,我也遇到了跟您一样的情况,但是我不是通过paypal的,而是直接填的信用卡。请问这样有什么办法可以追回被扣掉的99美元吗?感谢!

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Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:23:52 +0800

@wheatwhi: 这个真不知道,我当时是和。paypal联系的.没有和他们直接联系的。不过你可以写信看看

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@wheatwhi: 你可以在工作时间通过网站上的contact form(也就是联系我们) 发送想取消试用期账号的请求,我这边大概2小时后就给我取消了。希望可以帮到你!
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Tue, 05 Jul 2016 05:22:15 +0800

谢谢你提供的经验,我已经提交了我的退款申请,希望明天早晨paypal给我回复,你的经验给了我很大的帮助,我再次表示感谢

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謝謝你提供的經驗,對我有很大的幫助,我去她網站上取消,結果他竟然要我打電話到美國去取消(根本強制讓人無法取消),因為我還沒到10天,所以99.96欧員還沒出去,我直接打去信用卡公司申請掛失了,非常謝謝你: )

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