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和 usenet.nl 的糾紛

psistwu posted @ Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:35:46 +0800 in Consumption with tags consumption dispute usenet.nl , 89509 readers

8/23 早上打開 gmail,赫然發現 paypal 來了一封通知,我的帳戶支付了一筆四千多元的款項給 usenet.nl。

時間回到 8/8,兩個星期前,研究室的同學不小心把存有重要資料的硬碟給格式化了,為了幫他救回資料,我上網找尋磁碟救援的軟體。經過一番搜尋後連到了 usenet.nl,它是一個可以讓用戶共享資料的平台,你可以在它所有的使用者之間搜尋你要的檔案,當然,你必須為這項服務支付費用。

我稍微看了 usenet.nl 的說明,它為新的使用者提供了一項試用的方案,以 1€ 的代價取得為期 14 天的試用及 5G 的下載配額。我很快的完成了註冊,並以 paypal 支付了 1€ 的費用,很快地 usenet.nl 啟動了我新註冊的帳號。之後我順利的完成了磁碟救援的工作(但這並不是因為 usenet.nl 的關係),我便把這件事拋諸腦後了。

收到 paypal 來的通知讓我大吃一驚,我已為我和 usenet.nl 的關係已經結束了,怎麼它又多收了一筆費用呢?我趕緊再到 usenet.nl 的網站上重新查看它的使用條款(term of service, TOS),在條款的第六項寫著:

Art. 6 Start of the contractual term, tariffs, authorisation for automatic access, term of the contract, cancellation

6.1. The contract between the Supplier and the Customer will be concluded for the contractually agreed term.
If the Customer should only choose to use a test period with his Registration, the contractual term will begin at the start of the test period.
Without a cancellation, the contract will extend automatically by a selected term, if it has not been cancelled by later than one (1) days prior to expiry of the contractual term.
In addition to cancellation in writing or by e-mail, the Customer also always has the opportunity to cancel a subscription directly online at usenet.nl. A refund entitlement to the payments made during the selected and confirmed contractual term is also excluded in this case.

另外,在第八項也寫著:

Art. 8 Cancellation right and test period

8.3. If the Customer should not cancel within the test period, the contract will extend automatically by the time period selected and confirmed upon conclusion of the contract. The Customer can only use the test period once, unless the Supplier explicitly permits the Customer an additional test period.

看到這裡事情的原因總算清楚了。usenet.nl 的使用條款假定用戶會在試用期間過後續約,因此若用戶沒有在試用結束前主動中止合約,usenet.nl 會自動延長合約成期限一年,每個月有 25G 下載配額的標準方案,費用是 99.96€,換算成台幣約四千多元。

雖然這個事件主要是由於我的疏忽所造成,但總覺得 usenet.nl 的作法讓我不太能接受,我在網路上搜尋了一會兒,發現我並不是第一個有這樣問題的人,我這裡列出一些其它網友的抱怨

  1. usenet.nl Complaints - fraud
  2. usenet.nl Complaints - Injustice
  3. Usenet.nl is a Scam
  4. The Blogs Response to Usenet.nl
  5. usenet.nl Review | Rip-off Report #545776

整合了這些資料,我以如下的理由為我自身的利益做辯護:

在這樣的契約中,使用者有義務主動了解 usenet.nl 訂定的使用條款,但是 usenet.nl 也有責任協助使用者了解使用條款,特別是那些容易引起糾紛的部分;我認為 usenet.nl 在這方面並沒有完全盡責。一方面,類似的事件並不是第一次發生,usenet.nl 應該知道它這樣的做法有引起紛爭可能性;另一方面,對於自動延長合約,usenet.nl 只有在我註冊時以使用條款的方式告知,在我試用的期間,usenet.nl 都沒有再做額外的通知。這樣不完善的做法讓我難以信服。

我決定在 paypal 上提出對 usenet.nl 的糾紛申訴,希望能有一個好的結果。

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anna said:
Mon, 06 Sep 2010 07:39:48 +0800

...我也被騙了 ...可是他沒有扣到我錢 我有即時向paypal blcok 他 ..但是不知道他會不會對我保有任何法律追溯之類 還是硬要我付錢的感覺..真要我給 我就會給 ...反正他在網路上評價已經很差...||| 上新聞算了 ...

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psistwu said:
Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:15:49 +0800

@anna:

使用條款中有一段你可能要注意一下

6.4. If the bank rejects a payment due for want of cover on the account or because the Customer cancelled the agreed direct debit, the Supplier will invoice all arising expenses per rejected or cancelled direct debit. This amount will increase by the respective bank fees, plus the amount that has been contractually agreed.

每當 usenet.nl 因為以上兩種原因被銀行拒絕付款(第一種我看不太懂;第二種好像就是你的情況:付款人取消了直接付款的授權,使的收款人收不到款),它將會把每次收款失敗所支出的手續費轉嫁到使用者身上。

If the Customer is more than ten days in default with his payment, or if the Customer has provided false or improper payment information to the Supplier, the Supplier shall be authorised to block access to the Service, after he has issued a reminder for the payment and pointed to the imminent blocking of the Service.

當使用者超過十天不付款或提供的付款資訊有誤,使用者將會在收到通知後被停止服務。

However, blocking access to the Service does not represent exercising the cancellation right.

然而,停止服務不代表使用者行使取消契約的權利。

When access to the Service is blocked, the Customer will continue to be obligated to pay the amounts falling due to the Supplier.

停止服務期間,使用者仍然有義務付清欠款。

The entitlement of the Supplier to assert his claim for compensation and default interest with continued payment default shall remain unaffected.

usenet.nl 對於要求賠償及欠款利息的權利將不受影響。

 

我只是大概摘要我自己對 usenet.nl 使用條款的理解,不過,看起來放著不理似乎不是一個好方法,建議你還是早點主動解決這個問題。

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anna said:
Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:29:13 +0800

應該是一開始他想扣ˋ我銀行不給他扣.我問過paypal 了..這件事情雙方都有點過失不過照理來說是可以得到退費的. ..我當初是看他有和paypal 合作 才想說他安全給錢的 網路上卻有這麼多的事情發生. 我想要和paypal 建議 在這樣的情況下 他應該停止和這種公司的合作

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psistwu said:
Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:46:20 +0800

我已經向 PayPal 提出糾紛申請了,現在就看結果如何。
我會再把詳細的過程放上來。

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loutdosea said:
Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:58:01 +0800

我也是遇到了同样的问题。希望我们都能及时解决。usenet的做法太无理了,无故地就扣了99欧...不过我在欧洲,比较郁闷,不知道应该怎么样解决。是不是扣了钱就没有办法申请退款了?

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anna said:
Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:51:59 +0800

..我想你可以和PAYPAL說..網路上有人說他有拿到 REFUND..應該是有機會吧..我是沒扣到我的錢 他很想要扣 可是他扣不到..在吵架當中...

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psistwu said:
Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:33:08 +0800

我向 PayPal 的糾紛申請已經得到解決了,Usenet.nl 把費用退還給我了,晚一點我再把過程貼上來。

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anna said:
Mon, 13 Sep 2010 23:45:01 +0800

好耶好耶..可是..他沒有扣到我的錢 ..冏 都不知怎樣處理 ...sigh !

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loutdosea said:
Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:39:16 +0800

好呀,可以拿到钱了。可是我是直接用VISA卡支付的,不是通过paypal

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jung said:
Mon, 29 Nov 2010 03:27:58 +0800

我也是剛剛收到信才嚇一跳,已經寫信到PayPal申訴,希望可以順利解決。

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ANNA said:
Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:45:36 +0800

@jung: 我跟那間公司吵了很久 他後來就自己放棄 沒有寫信給我了

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jung said:
Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:33:07 +0800

早上收到PayPal來信說已經取消交易並在五個工作日左右會退回款項。不過真的很擔心Usenet會繼續騷擾,如果有的話只好繼續跟他盧下去了。真的是很X的公司。

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steven said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:25:43 +0800

不好意思
我也是不小心點到
能協助我怎麼去和paypal退費嗎?
我是用信用卡付款
一年前想說不小心點到就自認倒楣
沒想到今年第二年還要和我扣款
我能怎麼處理謝謝

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anna said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:31:24 +0800

你直接寫信給paypal 或是打給 paypal 叫他不要扣

並且投訴 就好了

這家公司很機車 停止付款後 他就寫信說要告人 可是後來自己又消失了

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steven said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:38:19 +0800

因為我是今天早上收到簡訊才知道有這筆交易… 我上網好像也查不到paypal的電話能告知我paypal的聯絡方式嗎?而且那時候我好像也取消paypal的帳號了~~

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steven said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:43:56 +0800

還是有人能夠提供予我電話,我再與您聯絡...很想處理掉這件事= =

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steven said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:58:32 +0800 不好意思~方便再請教一下 如果是透過visa直接付款 還有怎樣的處理方式嗎?
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anna said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:01:04 +0800

欸 我也不知道 我超雖
我在英國的帳戶被扣錢 嚇到我直接把帳戶給關了
我是打PAYPAL 的服務電話 他再三保證說我沒事 可是我還是關了我帳戶= =

你打給發卡銀行講這問題
說沒有經過你授權他就刷你卡

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steven said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:08:20 +0800

謝謝你唷
我想把信用卡停掉了
兩期就算我衰好了
等我分期信用卡繳完我就會停掉…
還是有人知道能在網站上點選如何停用呢?

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anna said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:10:41 +0800

你要停用 USENET ?

不知道怎樣點選停用 不過只要打去給發卡銀行講 他就會停了這家公司繼續扣你帳

然後問問有沒有甚麼機制這樣

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steven said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:21:01 +0800

可是我有問過發卡公司了
他說銀行是第三者的立場
不能去停扣~所以我很煩腦= =
要就只能請USENET刷退

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anna said:
Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:59:46 +0800

= =...你打電話去 usenet 炒看看吧

不過應該可以不是嗎 ...畢竟你沒有授權

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同同 said:
Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:19:05 +0800

对不起,我刚刚加入,请多多关照。我也遇到了和usenet.nl的麻烦。不过,这应该是我的问题。问个很弱智的问题,怎样用paypal给usenet.nl公司付款呢?开始我误以为它发给我邮箱的邮件地址就是它的付款邮箱,就是support@usenet.nl.我不知道它是不能直接回复和付款的。结果我用1 EUR 付给了这个邮箱,这应该是我的错。五月二十六到二十八,usenet.nl 先后给我的邮箱发了三份邮件,让我付款。但这几天我因为不会操作,一直没能付款成功。到了六月三号,终于把款付到帐上。以为成功了。订单显示”未被认领”,账户不能使用。我和usenet.nl联系了好几次,问他们能不能把钱从错误的邮箱里取出来。 他们没搭理。接着电脑上定单显示1欧元已被取出。同时显示还是“未被认领”。然后我陆续把和paypal交易详情和交易ID都放上去,最后他们回答还是系统里找不到款。

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同同 said:
Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:56:42 +0800

“续“:请问,用paypal付款给usenet.nl,他们的付款邮箱是?付钱时收费邮箱是必须填的吧。我也很懒,实在不想在大段的条款中费力地搜索了。想直接问大家,他的收款邮箱是什么。这么一个大公司,邮箱怎么这么难找。另外,如果我取消交易,1 EUR能不能返还到我的卡上。据说现在举行活动,在usenet付1欧元参加14天的测试后,会成为DownloadKeeper.com的终身会员,能下到许多很多很新的软件。大家去吧。是不是真的? 谢谢了。

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anna said:
Wed, 06 Jun 2012 03:12:50 +0800

不知道阿 我覺得這網站騙人 我不會買

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ostrich said:
Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:23:32 +0800

想问一下还在免费期,如何注销,免得出了免费期还要交钱。。。。

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ostrich said:
Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:26:05 +0800

还在免费期,想问一下怎么申请停用啊?

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si said:
Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:20:39 +0800

昨晚收到扣款99.96EUR的信件後才驚覺我幾時買了這樣一個東西!登入Usenet.nl看才發現自動多了一筆訂單,寫信去Usenet.nl要求取消此筆交易得到的回覆是今年度的已經無法取消,後年起將不會再產生續期購買(硬要收到一年份的費用就對了-_-)
但是未經同意自動續期並收費很不合理啊,已向Paypal申訴,希望有好消息。

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napoleon said:
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:03:13 +0800

你好,我是陆生。我在Usenet.nl 页面(就是那个注册的第一个页面,要地址什么的信息的)第一步进行了邮箱认证,之后网页出来后我就没有操作,直接关闭了网页,请问这样会不会有风险(扣钱或者法律上的)?
ps:我在那个登陆的地方以忘记密码的形式输入自己的邮箱查自己是否注册,发现没有。
万分感谢啊!!!

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showin said:
Sat, 26 Oct 2013 08:57:36 +0800

非常感謝您提供的幫助,通過您提供的方式提交申訴了,不知道成不成功!再次感謝!

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Yuan said:
Fri, 20 Mar 2015 03:27:25 +0800

我曾经也出现过这种情况!寻找英文书籍的时候弹出来usenet.nl的广告,就用信用卡花了1欧元,最终发现根本没有我要的那本书!过了一段时间,usenet.nl给我发过一封邮件,提醒一年会员费用99.96欧元即将扣款,但我没看到!后来我就跟paypal反映了情况,在忐忑不安中总算给退款了!现在还经常发现,usenet.nl老在一些网站弹出广告,大家一定要小心哦!

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JIA said:
Wed, 20 May 2015 07:45:47 +0800

@Yuan: 你是怎么向usenet.nl反映的啊,我也遇到这个问题了。

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Daff said:
Wed, 14 Oct 2015 12:39:54 +0800

請問 如果是visa卡被盜刷有解嗎
因為今天收到簡訊帳單才知道 卡片被盜刷了
而且完全沒有在usenet 消費、使用過他們軟體
只是在另一個ava抗ddos國外網站購買了
anti ddos beek 99元美金的消費 。
Usenet有點誇張!! 帳單收到是3225台幣
完全不知道怎麼多了這筆款項 目前是已告知發卡銀行 還在等待
2-3個禮拜的作業時間 想知道這樣款項還拿的回來嗎?
謝謝

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uri said:
Mon, 14 Mar 2016 18:15:02 +0800

大大们好,这里是uri。 刚刚因为我的个人疏忽(没有事先调查)的关系在usenet.nl上注册了户口。在发现没有自己需要的软件之后第一时间点击cancel但他们要求拨打电话过去否则无法取消户口。然后我又通过它网上的form给予要cancel户口的请求但是到现在还未回复。在网上查了查后发现有很多用户在抱怨(其中有写信通知却不果的)。我也是用visa(debait)的,有好的解决方法吗?我是打算明天一早就去银行申请block掉和usenet.nl的一切交易。。。。还是说直接冻结/关掉户口会比较好?

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Daff said:
Mon, 14 Mar 2016 20:36:28 +0800

請不用擔心 先通知銀行後 若是未被經過同意直接扣款 可請銀行先查明後 會退你錢 卡片可先停止國外交易 若有需要再辦另一張比較安全哦 目前bank已將錢全數退還囉

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uri said:
Mon, 14 Mar 2016 21:58:56 +0800

更新: 出乎意料的,不知道是他们看得懂中文还是什么的,我刚在这里发言我邮箱那里就来了一封邮件,内容的大概是我的停用申请已受理,但是慎重起见我还是采取Daff大大你的建议,明天一早就去银行办消停国外交易的手续……
先谢谢Daff和各位大大的建议~~

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Pui said:
Thu, 07 Apr 2016 21:17:12 +0800

@Yuan: 我也想問你是怎么向usenet.nl反映的啊,我也遇到这个问题了。

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shan said:
Sun, 17 Apr 2016 22:22:09 +0800

求教,我也出現同樣問題,被扣款,visa銀行有說要自己解決

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uri said:
Mon, 25 Apr 2016 01:15:09 +0800

@shan: 我是无视那个注册费(1美元),做好账号当天(12小时内)直接写信留言和他们说我想停因为没有我要找的文件,而且是无数次那种(忘了几次),并在第二天(已确认账号被停用)直接去银行(不是Visa,是做那张卡的地方)直接更新卡片(换卡)。解决。

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Kant said:
Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:42:31 +0800

請問樓主,如果我是直接用信用卡註冊的,不是用paypal,那要怎麼取消呢?我是今天不小心註冊的,被扣了1美元,我怕免費期過後會被扣到錢!

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uri said:
Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:09:47 +0800

@Kant: 如我在这楼里所说的,立马(立刻马上)通过他们的网站写无数次的投诉信(多但别过份多),一天内理应会回复你,确认他们停掉后如果不放心或者要慎重的话,第二天直接过去你的银行要他们更新,并说明是因为担心这公司不守信的关系所以才要做过新的。如果他们提起你那个消费了的1美元……死心吧,那个是在你没看清条约的情况下按勾的,这个理应拿不回来……

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Kant said:
Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:43:06 +0800

@uri: 我直接跟克服說要取消他們就幫我取消了,那1元美金沒關係,我只是怕14天過後他給我扣99歐而已...

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zoey said:
Fri, 20 May 2016 10:44:25 +0800

太難過了,我今天早上睡夢中收到郵件通知我扣款99歐。
我是因為之前找一本E-book才註冊的,最後也沒有成功下載,當時就想取消,結果說要一個星期之後才可以取消,然後我就忘記了這件事。。。
而且我是直接用信用卡付的款,我看了一下樓主鏈接的一些國外的人的經驗,我感覺這筆錢是要不回來了。。。
不過我還是寫信去申訴並且跑一趟銀行試試看。。
我下次會更小心,並且使用paypal。。。。

真是一個令人心碎的週五

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Mark said:
Fri, 20 May 2016 16:40:04 +0800

请帮帮忙,你们有Usenet账号的,可不可以帮我下载一本《Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible》 ,万分感谢。

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Mark said:
Fri, 20 May 2016 16:41:28 +0800

请下载之后,发我邮箱,gykun0808@qq.com ,谢谢啦。

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zoey said:
Fri, 20 May 2016 16:46:18 +0800

@Mark: 這個網站是騙人的,並不是真的有資源。
我也是希望下載電子書,最後還是去圖書館借了看。

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Mark said:
Fri, 20 May 2016 16:47:50 +0800

@zoey: 哦哦 我不知道 为什么欧洲人也出来建网站骗人呢?

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zoey said:
Fri, 20 May 2016 17:01:25 +0800

@Mark: 你覺得只有中國人才騙人嗎 = =

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tina said:
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:32:05 +0800

@zoey: 我也是刚刚被骗的,关键还注销不了,求注销方法

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tina said:
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:32:44 +0800

有大神知道的,拜托回一下我信息,或者邮件,谢谢了

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tina said:
Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:36:06 +0800

sheeping@foxmail.com

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zoey said:
Mon, 20 Jun 2016 15:04:22 +0800

@tina: 寫郵件給他們,說你要註銷,他們回复的還是比較快的。
但是錢要不回來了。。。

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tina said:
Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:13:19 +0800

@zoey: 谢谢,邮件直接写注销就行了是吧,用不用写什么理由啊

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zoey said:
Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:33:26 +0800

@tina: 寫理由什麼都比較free的,隨便寫一些,比如沒有使用到服務之類的

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uri said:
Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:56:02 +0800

@tina 就如zoey所说,随意写,但要能接受的理由,我是写里面没有我需要的东西

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tina said:
Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:31:03 +0800

@uri: 好的,谢谢

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Eunice CHEN said:
Mon, 12 Sep 2016 05:46:37 +0800

@psistwu: 求过程!!!!

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ace2 said:
Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:49:20 +0800

天呀,我也被收費了,有夠X的usenet.nl.
當時沒看到我要的電子書也是馬上cancel,網頁還得點好幾頁cancel,我當時就覺得這家公司非常可怕。我以為已經線上取消帳號了,收到信用卡帳單後再去網頁看,才注意到最後還要打電話去請客服人工取消。我X的!向paypal投訴,不知道還要不要得回錢。

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ace2 said:
Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:06:48 +0800

@ace2: 向paypal投訴後,今天收到通知說幫我把$99.00 USD追回來了!

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hny6109 said:
Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:01:41 +0800

大家好...我也是他媽的usenet.nl受害者
奇怪的是,我當初在一週內就在網站上取消了帳號
結果卻在第15天一早收到扣款通知............
我已經寫信請usenet.nl給我一個交代,就讓我看看他們什麼時候要給我回信

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hny6109 said:
Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:04:23 +0800

嗯....看完討論串....原來要電話取消= =
Shit, 來看看他們怎麼回覆我
網站上哪裡有寫要電話取消啊!? 藏在隱密的角落嗎?

我是用VISA卡扣款...就沒有請第三方取消的方式了...........

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hny6109 said:
Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:32:22 +0800

跟各位回報一下,我當天一早發現被扣款之後怒火中燒馬上寫了信討公道,下午就收到回信了。得到善意的回應,他們取消了我的帳號,也同意退款,不知道是不是因為我去信態度強應的關係。
--------我的去函---------
To whom it may concern,

I registered a 14 days free account in your website on 7th Oct. 2016

Username: unf-7509580-34d
Passwort: E2E16578
Customer ID: 7509580

After that i found your service didn't fit my need so I cancel the account within 1 week.
However i receive an invoice today and I was charged for 99 USD

Please cancel my account immediately and give back my refund.
Please give me an answer how it would happened. I thought this is a deception.

Please contact me with email XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Chun-Hao Chang

-----收到的回信-------

Hello CHUN HAO CHANG,

thank you very much for your inquiry on 21.10.2016!

According to your inquiry, you would like to withdraw from your contract. We regret your decision and find it unfortunate to lose you as a usenet.nl customer.

As per your request, we have deactivated account number 7509580 and have initiated a refund to your bank account or credit card.

Please note it may take 1-2 weeks for the process to be completed and the amount to be refunded to your account.

We thank you for your patience and hope that if you have any other questions, you will feel free to contact us in the future.

Your Customer ID: XXXXXXXXXXXX

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ww said:
Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:25:38 +0800

大家好,我也遇到一樣的問題..已經利用contact form反映了,但還沒收到回覆,我可以先向銀行提出停止授權付款嗎?

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ww said:
Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:43:11 +0800

更新最近狀況,我反映了三次仍然沒收到回覆,但今天發現帳號已經無法登入,有人有類似的情形發生嗎?

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vvcc said:
Sat, 03 Dec 2016 19:33:26 +0800

@hny6109: 请问你是发给哪个邮箱地址了?可以发给我一下么?我的帐号也是被扣了99美元。我也想发邮件过去注销帐号。谢谢!

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vvcc said:
Sat, 03 Dec 2016 19:34:02 +0800

@hny6109: 请问你是发给哪个邮箱地址了?可以发给我一下么?我的帐号也是被扣了99美元。我也想发邮件过去注销帐号。谢谢!可以发我邮箱么?chen8376276@sina.com

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Leon said:
Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:09:43 +0800

@vvcc

cancellation_china@usenet.nl

在My Accounts里面有My subscription -- 选择 Info. about the termination -- 最后一页有邮箱

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Rebecca said:
Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:06:23 +0800

@Yuan:
你好 ,我和你的情况类似,请问你是具体怎么操作的。

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Tom said:
Tue, 07 Feb 2017 11:06:35 +0800

你好,我也遇到了相同的問題,只是我當初設定的email是錯誤的,因此我完全無法登入或者取消訂閱,這樣如果我去信用卡公司申請停止國外交易,請問可以嗎,被扣的錢我就當作教訓,只是我不想在第二年再次被扣款

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ww said:
Tue, 07 Feb 2017 11:15:39 +0800

@Tom:不能登入的話要不要直接寫信給客服呢?

跟你分享我的經驗,我用contact form反映了3次請他退款&取消帳號,第3次口氣較嚴厲,結果隔天我的帳號就無法登入了(在沒收到官方任何回覆下,我猜應該是取消了)。
接者我致電發卡銀行,請銀行幫我查詢是否有這筆款項,銀行回覆有這筆,我直接跟銀行告知狀況(我未授權對方刷卡),銀行直接幫我把這筆款項扣掉,接者詢問我是否要換發新卡比較保險,所以我就換了一張新卡,提供你參考。

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Tom said:
Tue, 07 Feb 2017 11:31:17 +0800

@ww: 可是我沒辦法寫信給客服,因為他說我的帳號或密碼是錯誤的,我很怕若我單方面想paypal停止合約,usenet.nl會不會想我追討款項

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ai said:
Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:16:28 +0800

我也遇到同样问题,最近一直在和他们写邮件。他们坚持我要paypal付款。更要命的是我的网不好基本打不开什么境外网页(好像在中国的网页界面能进去,但是一到登录画面就歇菜)他们也是威胁我说要起诉我啥的............这公司真是垃圾一样

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vedora said:
Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:38:20 +0800

@ANNA : 他寄claim给我了,我想知道怎么和这个公司吵架。还是不用理会。

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John said:
Tue, 23 May 2017 08:50:33 +0800

当时注册完之后没下载到我要的电子书,他家就是一钓鱼网站!1个月之后试用过期找我要会员费,我都不知道试用之前要取消账号,不然会收会员费。因为我当时没给他们PayPal的扣款权限,他们扣款失败,追着我要了7个月了已经。最近3个月没理他们,给我发邮件说已经提交了我的相关信息和相关文件给他们的代理律师要起诉我。这公司不是一般的不要脸!

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Oscar said:
Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:40:04 +0800

我想問一下,我申請了它的試用期,但是我不知道要通知它們取消,同時我也沒有輸入銀行卡的資料,那之後它給我發了invoice要收一百多歐羅,我是要交還是隨它不用交?

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kelvin said:
Sat, 01 Jul 2017 19:10:57 +0800

我想問大家能在網上取消嗎, 我是用VISA付的, 我用了FREE TRIAL後想取消但取消不了, 要打電話過去,靠北, 大家是用什麼方法給取消的

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Vera said:
Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:12:21 +0800

我的隻釦了12美元,早上起來突然看到的,之前也沒有發過郵件說要付費,氣的我開始郵件轟炸了。

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ai said:
Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:15:20 +0800

之前和那边客服算是吵了一架 最后他们估计不了了之了;总体取消方法是给他们发邮件,让他们取笑你的订阅;他们的机制是这样 过了免费试用期 会自动视为订购套餐 然后会收取费用; 注意如果你已经进入订购套餐的时间 可能没有立刻被收取费用 所以你在这个时候取消了订阅 他们只是会单纯取消你下次的订阅 而要你继续付清这次的费用 因为国外在收取费用不成功时候 会追加失败的费用在你账户上 所以你可能会看见这个费用越滚越大 然后他们会威胁你;我觉得不要害怕,他们真的是家钓鱼公司 这种服务简直是垃圾;我最后也是因为在国内有底气所以告诉他们我不怕他们的威胁,估计他们最后也是不想理我了 唉 只希望大家以后不要碰上这种骗子公司

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sunny said:
Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:04:15 +0800

你好,我也是被这个网站骗了,当时绑定了paypal但是PayPal里没有钱就扣款失败。之后一直发邮件让我付会费,我就一直上网站发contract form要求取消合同和付款,但被无视。刚才看邮箱的垃圾箱,发现前几天它又发了封claim,要求我付14000多欧,而且我莫名其妙还有两个账号,等于这两个账号都要付这么多钱。它还要求我8月31号前要付,这种claim要怎么办?简直是无赖!

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sunny said:
Thu, 17 Aug 2017 23:05:03 +0800

@vedora: 请问给你寄claim以后 你有理会吗?

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Zuser said:
Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:31:03 +0800

请问用注册机注册的信用卡号后 该怎么注销账号

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Kanari said:
Thu, 07 Sep 2017 10:35:06 +0800

抱歉打擾,請問有人知道在過了被發了催款郵件後還可以取消賬戶嗎?
我這邊的情況是,五個月之前註冊網站,被收費後發現是scam,因為不知如何取消,就直接把paypal關掉了。現在那邊的網站發郵件說要收50 EUR= =想趕快停掉服務免得一直擔心...

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Kanari said:
Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:51:43 +0800

@Kanari: 啊,郵件發了兩份就直接收到取消的告知了,連目前的“欠費”都沒有要追回…本來還以為已經被發了追款郵件應該會不行才對_(:з」∠)_後續如果有人出現類似情況可以參考下這條!

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Marimowy said:
Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:33:30 +0800

打扰了,

我今天同时查找电子书的时候脑子不清醒地用credit card绑定了会员,现在还是免费试用期。刚意识到自己被骗,已经发了一封邮件给您所说的那个邮箱要求注销会员解除绑定信用卡,不知道他们那边会不会乖乖帮我解除绑定呢……

否则我还等打电话过去,用英语有点苦手……

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PJ said:
Tue, 02 Jan 2018 13:21:05 +0800

我也是之前用的那个14 days free但是后来没通知就要收费,我没给付款方式,现在这个公司找澳洲当地的一家公司给我发邮件,好像是催款的诉讼公司,我该咋办啊,是不理会还是去申诉

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Guest404 said:
Sun, 30 Sep 2018 00:35:08 +0800

@PJ: 我是类似情况,当时绑了PayPal,到期以后我记着要退订了,但是找不到退订的地方,所以就把PayPal绑的卡解除了,他就一直扣不到我费。前两天发邮件催我,说欠他们12美元的钱,然后两次延期每次2.5美元,共17美元不含税,我仔细看了一下他网站上我的账号,除了一个国内的地址和已经早就不用的手机号,它只有我的PayPal国内账号,从来都没用过。我想了想就把PayPal这个号注销了,紧接着就收到PayPal来邮件说跟UseNet的协议解除。

总之就是,如果你没有留给他什么把柄,比如信用卡号啊、ID啊签证号啊之类会影响你身份或者信用的东西,只有一个邮箱地址,我觉得完全不用理他,反正对方也不知道你是谁,群发的而已。如果有留身份信息就找人咨询一下吧。

嗯。跟流氓公司耍流氓的感觉真的太爽了。

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ria said:
Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:08:50 +0800

我在注册的第二天就申请终止了,已经收到confirmation,应该没什么问题了吧,

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Luiza said:
Sun, 13 Oct 2019 11:46:41 +0800

我找不到他們的客服信箱,是工具表單嗎?
如何向他們申請退款?並且取消帳戶?
可以將方法發到我的信箱嗎?
jazz.art625@gmail.com

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Luiza said:
Sun, 13 Oct 2019 11:49:23 +0800

請問你們是如何找到他們客服信箱的?我只有找到他們的客服電話,而且是美國的。
還有你們是如何讓他們退款的,我的visa卡也被他們扣了99美金,可以告訴我方法嗎?謝謝!
jazz.art625@gmail.com

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selina29292005 said:
Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:02:51 +0800

昨天按照一樣的情況跟paypal 申請Unauthorized transaction
卻被decline了 請問你們有什麼其他辦法可以解決嗎? 謝謝!!
真的好心急 看了網路上那麼多人都成功了但竟然被decline了....

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研究生 said:
Thu, 11 Jun 2020 00:18:30 +0800

2020年為了一份文獻花了一美元的路過⋯⋯玩弄論文焦頭爛額的研究生很好玩嗎

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大學生 said:
Sat, 04 Jul 2020 02:45:52 +0800

2020年為了報告被騙的大學生路過QQQQ 寫信給客服了 不知道會不會回==

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香港人 said:
Sat, 01 Aug 2020 23:25:23 +0800

一註冊完(我用paypal)知道cancel不了中伏後,即刻unlink paypal的auto transaction以為沒事啦,之後第10日收到email提醒我免費試用期快完了(他不提我也真的忘記了...也算有點良心...),但不是我原來註冊的假email,是寄去我註冊paypal的真email,才知道仆街啦,paypal入面的信用卡,地址等個人資料都被偷了,上網爬文更發現即使unlink paypal但不cancel的話,他會在14日後email告訴你過不到錢,不理的話半年後會寄信去你家追債,甚至report你paypal和信用卡為fraud,導致封卡。所以我即刻在14日到期前填網站的contact form要求terminate account,總共send了3次。1日半後終於login不了,但email沒有收到official reply真的cancel了,所以再填多次form問他可以officially用email reply我cancel了沒有,不隔幾分鐘收到email回覆:

Cancellation confirmation

Hello xxxxxx,

your contract with customer number 1xxxxxxx will be terminated on xx/xx/2020 and it will not be renewed anymore. There will be no charges.

Best regards

your usenet.nl-Team

雖然封email是純文字沒有其他人cap圖所見有藍色design的,但至少可以作為已經cancel的證據,即使之後真的被扣錢也可以證明。希望真的endgame,第14日不要扣我錢吧。

網站真的有教學教你send form cancel account而不是打電話,terms and conditions也有寫明你必須主動提出cancellation,你真的吹佢唔漲奈他不何。但他真的放得好隱蔽,好L狗,他就是要騙那些怕麻煩以為不理就沒事的人的錢。希望大家不要再中伏!!

https://en.usenet.nl/unf/shop/misc/miscShowCancellationRight.cfm

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香港人2號 said:
Tue, 04 Aug 2020 00:47:49 +0800

@香港人: 你好,我也是香港人,請問能和我聯絡討論取消的細節嗎?非常感謝您!yans000000000@gmail.com

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